going to go bankrupt so we need to reform welfare, we need to reform medicare, medicaid, we need to cut spending. and that's why we should start. >> mark, i know that democrats would love to start with the pentagon as far as cutting spending, but what about entitlement reform? do the democrats need to be willing to sit down at the table and talk about some of their sacred cows? >> yeah, democrats are going to have to cut things that are uncomfortable for democrats to cut just like republicans will. >> rick: like what? >> as you mentioned, well, let me first take issue with something that angela said, education, i don't know whether she characterizes that as entitlement. >> no, i don't, okay, well, good, good. >> energy is not entitlement either. >> no, okay. >> and my sister is a teacher as well. >> so we need, okay, we're on board with that then, but i think that, look, you have the pentagon and military spending in this country, in this country is greater than or equal to all other countries in the industrialized world combined and you know, we're giving.